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418: Eighth Anniversary: Our Favorite Try-This At Home Ideas, Happiness Hacks & Highlights

Happier with Gretchen Rubin
Ep. 418: Eighth Anniversary: Our Favorite Try-This At Home Ideas, Happiness Hacks & Highlights
Ep. 418: Eighth Anniversary: Our Favorite Try-This At Home Ideas, Happiness Hacks & Highlights

Update

Life in Five Senses will hit the shelves on April 18! Pre-order early and often. Click here for links to retailers, the book excerpt, and the bonus videos. Gold star to everyone who has already pre-ordered.

Eighth Anniversary!

Unbelievable as it is, we just hit our eighth anniversary. As we do each year, we look back at highlights from the previous 52 weeks.

Our favorite Try-This-at-Home ideas:

Classics:

  • The yearly list of “23 for 23”: in episode 411, we revealed our “23 for 23” lists
  • The one-word theme for 2023: In episode 408, we talked about our choices for 2023: Wave (Gretchen) and Scale (Elizabeth).
  • The yearly challenge: We unveiled “Go Outside 23 in 23” in episode 409. Join along in the Happier app!

 

This year, we particularly enjoyed these Try-This-at-Home ideas:

Happiness Hacks

 

 Some big milestones

  • I announced the title and publication date of my new book, Life in Five Senses.
  • I also announced my book tour. If you live in or near New Canaan CT, DC, Washington, DC, LA, San Diego, Seattle, San Francisco, Chicago, Cleveland, and Cincinnati, New York City, please come to an event.
  • Season Two of Fantasy Island is on the airwaves
  • We started posting Happier on YouTube @gretchenrubin
  • I joined TikTok! So fun. Follow me @gretchenrubin

 

Big anniversaries

  • We hit our first anniversary of “More Happier”
  • I celebrated the fifth anniversary of my book The Four Tendencies

 

Exciting interviews

We so enjoyed…

 

Favorite moments

 

To celebrate the 8th anniversary of Happier with Gretchen Rubin, Elizabeth and I are giving away a “Happier” gift-set to 8 winners. Get one “Happier Mug,” one “The Days Are Long Pouch,” and an assortment of stickers.

To enter, share your best happiness hack with us on social media using the hashtag #HappierAnniversary. We’ll pick our favorite suggestions and announce the winners—and their hacks—in episode 420 on March 8. Be sure to enter before March 1st.

Gretchen and Elizabeth’s Gold Star

We give a big gold star to listeners for listening and engaging – and another gold star for those who have taken the time to rate, review, and follow. Thank you! 

In honor of our eighth anniversary, please email or text the link to the show to eight friends, coworkers, or family members. We so appreciate it. For instructions on how to rate, review, and follow a podcast, click here. 

Resources

If you’d like to get the show notes by email, sign up here. 

What we’re reading

Gretchen:
Hello and welcome to Happier, a podcast where we talk about ideas for how to become happier, healthier, more productive, and more creative. This week we are celebrating our eighth anniversary! Our first episode was on February 25th, 2015. As we do each anniversary episode, we will be talking about some of our most popular Try This at Home suggestions, our best Happiness Hacks, and some of our favorite moments from the previous 52 weeks.

[Music]

I’m Gretchen Rubin, a writer who studies happiness, the five senses, human nature. I’m in my little home office in New York City, and joining me today from L.A. is my sister, Elizabeth Craft. And Elizabeth, it makes me so happy to do this podcast with you.

Elizabeth:
That’s me. Elizabeth Craft, a T.V. writer and producer living in L.A. And Gretchen, I can still remember when our first episode dropped because we were in Hawaii on vacation. And I remember sitting in my hotel room and listening to the episode and then looking and seeing that like 12 people had downloaded it, and I was so excited about that. And thanks to our listeners here we are, Gretchen, eight years later.

Gretchen:
Yes, thank you, listeners. You are the reason we are here on our eighth anniversary. It’s so exciting. So before we jump in, because I’m all about the preorders these days, because I’m so excited to get preorders for my book, Life in Five Senses, I had thrown out the idea that maybe someone would write a haiku about preordering and listeners did. Here’s one.

Elizabeth:
Yes, Joy wrote, “Readers preorder a book, finds its audience. Author rejoices.”

Gretchen:
Yes. Love it. Yes. If you want, because people did seem to get a kick out of this, you could do a limerick. And it’s very cumbersome to describe what a limerick is, but I think we all know a limerick when we hear it. Here’s a very famous limerick from Edward Lear’s, “A Book of Nonsense.”

Elizabeth:
“There was an old man with a beard who said, ‘It is just as I feared. Two owls and a hen, four larks and a wren, have all of their nests in my beard.'”

Gretchen:
Yeah. So if you feel inspired to write a limerick, limericks are often rude. Do not write a rude limerick, but if you feel like writing a preorder limerick, I get a huge kick out of this. And if you want to preorder and get the giant Gold star, because I do so appreciate the preorders, if you go to happiercast.com/fivesenses,you can get the preorder bonus. You can read the book excerpt. You can get links to all the retailers and you can make me very, very happy because I really love them. Whether they are accompanied with a limerick or a haiku or not, your preorders make me very happy. And speaking of five senses, we have an upcoming Very Special Episode.

Every 10th episode is a Very Special Episode. And for episode 420, we want to have hacks that people have found that use their five senses. Many people have already sent these in, but keep them coming. They’re just very fascinating and helpful kind of in all areas of life. But based on the idea of tapping into the power of the five senses. So those are great.

Elizabeth:
Yeah, I cannot wait for that episode.

Gretchen:
I love hack roundups.

Elizabeth:
Yes. We all do.

Gretchen:
Okay, so for our favorite, Try This at Home ideas. Now, of course, every year we have some classics. Now, over the years we’ve developed ones that we do year after year, which we evolve over time.

Elizabeth:
Yes. So in episode 411, we revealed our 23 for 23 lists, and in episode four of seven, we looked back on our 22 for 22 lists to see how we did.

Gretchen:
Yeah, and people love doing these lists. They come up all the time when we hear from listeners and when we’re talking amongst ourselves. Similarly, the choose the one word theme for the year. This is always the big reveal. And in episode 408, we talked about our choices for 2023. Both are already turning out to be super full of metaphor and visualization and ideas. Mine is wave.

Elizabeth:
Yes and mine is scale and I have my scale pin, Gretch, next to me on my desk at all times to remind me of it.

Gretchen:
And I have my wave, my postcard of the great wave off of Kanagawa.

Elizabeth:
Yeah. And I have my scale bracelet, so I’ve got it all over. And then, Gretchen, every year we have a yearly challenge, so we loved #Walk20in20, #Read21in21, and #Rest22in22. This year I think our challenge may be the most popular yet.

Gretchen:
Yeah, yeah. #GoOutside23in23, which we unveiled in episode 409, really seems like it struck a chord. Like this was something where people needed a nudge or a reminder of how much they valued it. But people have really tackled this and embraced this one. And I want to remind people that if you are excited about this and remember you’re never behind, join where you are.

The best time to join the annual challenge is 20 years ago, or at least January 1st. The second best time is now. So if you want to follow along in the Fappier app and track what you’re doing in the Happier app, you can join for free, with or without a subscription, and even if you already are tracking aims, you can get the go outside, aim for free.

And we are tracking the activity because, this especially for Obligers who benefits to have accountability, we are tracking activity in the happier app and if we reach a million entries of people going outside 23 in 23, we’ll make a donation to One Tree Planted. So going outside is for you. And it will also mean that there will be more trees in the world. We hope.

Elizabeth:
Yeah. Yes, I am doing my photo log every day.

Gretchen:
You’re such a good sister this year. Like you got into the Happier app right away.

Elizabeth:
Okay, Gretch. Coming up, we’re going to talk about our favorite Try This at Homes from this year. But first this break.

[Music]

Gretchen:
So every year we have these classic Try This at Homes that we repeat but then they’re the ones that are only up here once.

Elizabeth:
Yeah. And one we loved is a recent one. In 412 we talked about turning deprivation to indulgence.

Gretchen:
Yeah, that seemed to really strike a chord with people.

Elizabeth:
Yes. It’s like if you’re trying not to do something, really don’t do it. You know, really wrap your head around it. By… like the obvious example was drinking. If you’re trying not to, if you’re not drinking, then make a whole thing out of mocktails, for instance.

Gretchen:
Yeah, and it was very interesting to hear how people put this to work kind of with their own different sets of aims. Another one, and Elizabeth I don’t think we didn’t see this one coming how much it would strike a chord with people, which was to save someone’s life in episode 403, we heard so many fascinating examples of how either they had saved someone’s life or then people also told us how someone else had saved their life.

And then it led to all this kind of follow on content, especially about learning the Heimlich maneuver, because so many people, like I thought this was very unusual. It seems like many people have used the Heimlich maneuver on others or on themselves. And then other first aid people were saying how valuable it can be. So this turns out more people have saved someone’s life than I thought. I was surprised.

Elizabeth:
Yeah. And it was also a reminder to be an organ donor, Gretch.

Gretchen:
Yes. Yes. Yeah. Because of Jamie’s former Hepatitis C, I’m a big fan of organ donation. The other thing that was odd about that list is how haunted people were by saving someone’s life. I had expected that it would be kind of a very jubilant memory. But it was it was sort of a frightening memory for people and many…

That’s the people I talked to that gave me the idea to talk about on the podcast said that. And then many listeners were like, yeah, it’s really true. It’s too much of a brush with disaster. You don’t remember it fondly.

Elizabeth:
Right. People were really… made them very aware of death. Yes. And then Gretchen, in 397, we talked about stop phubbing people.

Gretchen:
Yes. New word alert.

Elizabeth:
Yes, exactly. Phubbing is phone snubbing. When you’re in a social situation and you check your phone instead of paying attention to the person you’re talking to, I think we are all guilty of that.

Gretchen:
Yeah, we’ve all done it. It’s good to have a reminder that it’s not a good thing to phub people. Here’s one idea that I loved, butit wasn’t sure if other people would respond to it. And then what was exciting to me was seeing how people put their own individual twist on the idea, which is in episode 387, we talked about why you might want to create a five senses portrait of someone.

But people talked about creating five senses portraits of someone as a gift, of creating a portrait of someone who’s gone as a way to hang on to their memories and to convey memories to someone who is like… to children who were too young to know this family member doing a five senses portrait of a place or an experience, again, as a way to kind of hang on to the memories in a really concrete way. That turned out to be super satisfying, super creative, not that hard to actually do it in a way where you feel like you really created something cool.

Gretchen:
So I got a big kick out of that one.

Elizabeth:
Yes. And that you talk about this in your book, too, for everyone who loved this idea. You talk about this in Life in Five Senses.

Gretchen:
I have. My portrait of Jamie is in there. If you want a five senses portrait of Jamie, it’s in Life in Five Senses.

Elizabeth:
All right, Gretchen, let’s move on to some of our favorite Happiness Hacks from this year. One that has been giving all of us joy is packing cubes. We talked about them in 403. Yeah, I got myself packing cubes for Christmas. Then I got you packing. Cubest, I think for your birthday. And then for Eilza and Eleanor for Christmas. So, I mean, and we’ve all been using our packing cubes.

Gretchen:
Yeah. Eliza and Eleanor. They just love, like zipping things into those little compartments,. I haven’t used mine yet, but I’m going to coming up. But we heard from so many people about all the different ways. I mean, you and I, we were just completely ignorant of this whole world of packing cubes.

Elizabeth:
Yeah. Sarah, my co-host of Happier and Hollywood, she introduced me, so I have to give her the credit. I didn’t even know they existed, but now they feel essential.

Gretchen:
Yes. Well, and here’s something where it turned out we had loved these for a very long time, but we found out that we were doing it wrong, which is giving party crackers to guests. We talked about this in episode 401. So this is a British tradition where you have a cracker, which is a paper thing you pull apart and it makes a pop and like a crown comes out and sort of little, little gifts and often riddle.

It’s like a holiday cracker. But we just each of us did it ourselves. And it turns out you’re supposed to cross arms and deal with the other people around the table. So we learned a little something there.

Elizabeth:
Yeah. Which is even more fun.

Gretchen:
It’s even more fun to do it that way. Yeah.

Elizabeth:
And then Gretchen in 388, the hack was to share a podcast episode with someone, which you can do. You can just copy the link and like, text it to someone. It’s really quite easy.

Gretchen:
Yeah, but neither of us somehow had realized that you could just do it right from the episode, which is great. Obviously we love it when people do that for us, so I’m trying to do it. And when you’re listening to something that you know somebody would love it, it’s like so satisfying to send it to them, right? Just right there.

Elizabeth:
Yes. Now I realize any time, like if someone tells me, oh, you’d love this podcast. If they follow up with just sending me the link, I’ll immediately click on it and subscribe. But if they don’t send the link, then I’m just much less likely.

Gretchen:
Because it gets lost in the tumult of life. This was an idea that I loved, which was from 368 which was about creating a puzzle exchange because I had gone into a coffee shop and they had a puzzle exchange in the corner. It was just like, take a puzzle, leave a puzzle. And I thought, that’s so perfect because puzzles are… just as long as you don’t lose a piece, they’re just perfect for the next person. And usually most people who love puzzles would rather do a new puzzle than a puzzle they’ve already done. And this just seemed like a great solution for everyone.

Elizabeth:
Yes. Speaking of Sarah, Gretchen, she has gotten very into what she calls puzzling and we’ve been listening to those thrillers. She listens and puzzles and that’s her meditation. And then another fun hack for episode 396 was to create counter space by pulling out a drawer and putting a cutting board on it. Especially in New York. There’s not a lot of counter space.

Gretchen:
Yeah, Eliza’s apartment has very, very little counter space, and so I thought that was such like a clever… it’s kind of like the ironing board in the hotel room. You’re just like, ooh, I can, I can do that right here and create more space, which we all need now. And then we had some big milestones for this year, we had some professional milestones.

Of course, I announced my new book. I officially unveiled the title Life in Five Senses, the book jacket, which was a whole process, the pub date, which is April 18th, preorder early and often happiercast.com/fivesenses. And I’ve also announced my tour. So if you live in or near New Canaan, CT, Washington, DC, L.A., San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago, Cleveland, and New York City, of course, you know, I want to wave to you on my book tour. So go to happiercast.com/tour if you want more information. And Elizabeth, you had some big milestones, too.

Elizabeth:
Yes, we had the premiere of season two of Fantasy Island, which is airing now. Watch it on Fox on Monday nights. We are really proud of it and have gotten a great response. That has been incredible because Sarah and I, our whole career, all we wanted was a season two. So we hit that milestone.

Gretchen:
Yes, it was sort of like an immediate milestone and then like a lifetime milestone as well. We put our podcast on YouTube. That’s what all the cool kids are doing. And more and more people are getting their podcast on YouTube. So if you would like to do that, we’re @GretchenRubin. And I went on TikTok. That’s been so super fun. Also at @GretchenRubin. I always like finding a new… each of these things is a little bit different. It’s a different way to talk about ideas. And so I find it really fun and creative to put ideas out in a new way. So that was…

Elizabeth:
Yeah, Gretchen, I want to hear more about TikTok on More Happier. We’ll have to talk about your TikTok experience, okay?

Gretchen:
Yeah, for sure.

Elizabeth:
And then there were some big anniversaries. We had the first anniversary, speaking of More Happier, of More Happier, our every other Saturday kicked back sister-fun-conversation podcasts.

Gretchen:
Yeah, yeah. Which it feels like we’ve been doing it forever now. I was surprised that we just said the first anniversary. And then it’s the fifth anniversary of my book, The Four Tendencies. So that’s exciting. I’m trying to do better about marking book milestones because it’s very easy to forget the ta-da and it’s just fun to celebrate these.

Elizabeth:
What’s funny about that, Gretch, is I literally feel like I came out of the womb and you were already telling me I was an Obliger, so I can’t believe it’s only been five years.

Gretchen:
Really? Well, that’s good. Yeah, I know what you mean. It feels like it goes all the way back to the beginning. We had some really super exciting interviews this year. You know, I am such a gigantic fan of The Office. There’s literally nothing in my life that happens where I’m not like, this reminds me of an episode of The Office. I will often say to Eliza and Eleanor: Stop. What moment from the office am I thinking of right now? And then they have to guess because they also know the office very well.

So of course it was particularly exciting for me to talk to Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey, Pam and Angela from the Office in episode 381. But Elizabeth, as you’d already talked to Jenna Fischer, because for her book, The Actor’s Life, you and Sarah talked to her on Happier in Hollywood, but I wasn’t part of that conversation.

Elizabeth:
She’s so great. They both are.

Gretchen:
Oh, yeah, it was so fun.

Elizabeth:
We also talked to Matt Damon in 371 about his work in water. So charming. You know, every inch a movie star, as was Kevin Hart. Who we talk to in 405. So funny. So charming, so authentic. As he was saying that is his brand is to be authentic. And he certainly was.

Gretchen:
Yeah. It’s funny, like, their voices are so familiar and their faces are so familiar and you’re like, there you are. You know, being yourself.

Elizabeth:
It reminds me, Gretchen, of when we met Oprah when you did Super Soul Sunday and she was just so Oprah. We couldn’t believe it.

Gretchen:
Yeah, no, it’s kind of remarkable. You’re like, you’re doing such a convincing portrayal.

Elizabeth:
Okay. Coming up, we are going to talk about some of our favorite moments of the year. But first, this break.

[Music]

Gretchen:
Okay Elizabeth, looking back at the last year. There are certain moments that are just particularly fun to reflect on. What’s one of your favorites?

Elizabeth:
Well, Gretchen, I mean, my all time favorite was from More Happier. And we had Heather Dubrow, one of the Housewives on the Real Housewives of Orange County, co-host with us. So we had her for the whole episode. I mean, that’s a life highlight for me. Gretchen. I, I mean, happy doesn’t begin to describe.

Gretchen:
Well, and it’s funny because one of the segments on More Happier is sometimes Happiness Lessons from the Real Housewives. And so. But Elizabeth, one of your superpowers is your ability to manifest. And I’m like, Elizabeth has manifested a real housewife.

Elizabeth:
I did it again. I know. I’m like, oh my gosh, I’ve done it again. It’s true. And now I want to manifest more housewives in my life. So here.

Gretchen:
So here they come. There’s a lot to choose from.

Elizabeth:
Yeah, there is like at least I think over a hundred of them.

Gretchen:
So all right.

Elizabeth:
Okay. That was an absolute definite highlight. What are some others?

Gretchen:
Well, in a very different mode, I would say, you know, because I’m such a sleep zealot and I use podcasts to help me go to sleep often, I got a big kick of when we did, the More Happier when we’re like, we’re going to do an episode to help you fall asleep. And we had to like really work on speaking softly and slowly and not getting all excited.

But Elizabeth, part of the one of the fun, creative things of that was like, what can we talk about that would be interesting enough to be engaging enough to, like, keep people from ruminating on their worries, but not so interesting that it would keep them awake. And so I think we hit the perfect thing, which was you describing all the different jobs of people who work on a T.V. show, because I’m like, it’s interesting. But on the other hand, it’s not terribly suspenseful.

Elizabeth:
Right? Right. Yes. And it doesn’t have a lot of highs and lows. It is sort of expositional.

Gretchen:
But I love your like, and then a set designer does, you know. You talk in very hushed way. Yeah, that was really fun.

Elizabeth:
And then another one, Gretchen, is all of our conversations about Get Back and the Beatles. So this is a situation where I just harangued you.

Gretchen:
Yes.

Elizabeth:
To watch this docuseries about the Beatles recording Get Back. And it’s really just a recording of them doing it. And we both just fell madly in love with it.

Gretchen:
Yeah. No, it was the kind of thing where we couldn’t stop talking about it. I went to see Paul McCartney. You were supposed to come with me, but then you ended up not being able to come. No we just, it just kept going and going and going. That was super exciting. But Elizabeth, by the way, speaking of you telling me what to watch on T.V., Eleanor is now watching Mad Men. So I’m rewatching along with her because I’m like, oh my God, I just can’t not watch.. I like it better the second time.

Elizabeth:
Does she love it? Well, she’s so into fashion. I imagine she loves seeing the fashion.

Gretchen:
Yeah. Yeah It’s such a great show. You told me that for years. You know, you’re right. That’s true. But Elizabeth, you know, one of the things that was really funny. So you were on that cruise ship doing your research trip with Sarah. Like, nice work if you can get it. And it’s like, here I am on a cruise ship and then bang, you just like… your internet just went out. I’m like, she’s off at sea, you know? I mean, she’s floated out of reach.

Elizabeth:
Yeah. And I was running around trying, like, different areas of the ship, like the internet cafe, the lounge, the here. And I just could not reconnect. So we were not able to finish our recording that day.

Gretchen:
That was just very cruise ship-y.

Elizabeth:
Yes, of course, I was at sea.

Gretchen:
So we had so many great moments this year. And to celebrate the eighth anniversary of Happier with Gretchen Rubin, we are giving away a Happier gift set to eight winners. You’ll get one Happier mug. Elizabeth does love a mug, so of course, we have a Happier mug. A Days are Long Pouch and an assortment of stickers. And if you want to enter, because we do love a hack, share your best Happiness Hacks with us on social media using the hashtag #HappierAnniversary, we will pick our favorite suggestions and announce the winners and their hacks in episode 420.

Along with the five senses hacks, we will do this anniversary celebration hacks, and we will do that on March 8th, so be sure to enter before March 1st. Again, that’s #HappierAnniversary and we’ll announce those.

Elizabeth:
Yay!

Gretchen:
Yay! So let us know. What was your favorite moment from the past year? It’s always so fun for us to look back. Let us know on Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, Facebook, drop us an email at podcast@gretchenrubin.com. As always, you can go to the show notes. This is happiercast.com/418 for everything related to this episode.

Elizabeth:
All right, Gretchen, it is time for Demerits and Gold Stars. But of course today we only have a Gold Star.

Gretchen:
We only have Gold Stars for you, our listeners, we want to give you huge Gold Stars for listening and engaging. We want to give special Gold Stars for people who have taken to write, review and follow. As you know, we say it all the time. It’s such a help for us. But it’s all the ideas, all the questions and insights and observations and resources that people suggest, like there’s just this endless fount of creativity from our listeners. It’s just so wonderful.

Elizabeth:
Yeah, Gretchen, and it just grows and grows. I mean, I would never have known there were so many tips and tricks and insights and suggestions, and we love them all.

Gretchen:
Little family traditions and ways to use photographs. I mean, ways to reuse old textiles. It just, it just keeps coming.

Elizabeth:
Yes. What pants to buy or for you to be on the set in Puerto Rico for four months. I mean there… it’s endless.

Gretchen:
Yeah. Now, if you would like to do a good deed in honor of our eighth anniversary, as we said, you can just text the link or email a friend. If you did it to eight friends, coworkers, family members in honor of our eighth anniversary, we would so appreciate it. Really, when we hear from people, they often will say, oh, it’s my coworker who told me to listen to it, or my sister told me to listen to it, or my uncle told me that he thought that this was the kind of thing I would like.

And it’s so exciting. It can be a little tricky sometimes to figure out how to rate, review, and follow. So if you do want a link that will just explain it all. We’ll put that in the show notes. It’s not hard, but if you haven’t done it before, it’s sometimes easier just to follow directions than to figure it out.

Elizabeth:
Gold Star to everyone.

Gretchen:
Yes. The resources for this week. Well, speaking of the show, if you want to sign up for the show notes to get those by email, you can go to happiercast.com/preferences there. You can sign up. And Elizabeth, what are we reading?

Elizabeth:
I am listening to No One Will Miss Her by Kat Rosenfield.

Gretchen:
And I’m reading Stay True by Hua Hsu. And that’s it for this episode of Happier. Remember, Try This at Home. Send a podcast link to 8 friend. Let us know if you tried it and if you did it, and we’ll give you a Gold Star.

Elizabeth:
Thank you to our executive producer, Chuck Reed, for another year and another year of editing, editing out our ahs and umhs, and being the most patient person on the planet. And thank you to everyone at Canes 13. Get in touch. Gretchen’s on Instagram and TikTok at @GretchenRubin and I’m on Instagram at @LizCraft. Our email address is podcast@gretchenrubin.com.

Gretchen:
And if you like the show, please be sure to tell a friend.

Elizabeth:
Until next week. I’m Elizabeth Craft.

Gretchen:
And I’m Gretchen Rubin. Thanks for joining us. Onward and upward.

[Music]

Elizabeth:
Gretchen, you always say the title Life in Five Senses, but you don’t say the subtitle. And I always love your subtitles.

Gretchen:
Oh, well, that’s… Thank you. That’s a great suggestion. I will start saying that. Life in Five Senses: How Exploring the Senses Got Me Out of My Head and into the World. It’s a little bit more of a mouthful, but then it gives people a good idea what the book is about.

Elizabeth:
I feel like it tells you more what it’s about.

Gretchen:
Yeah. Good. Good suggestion.

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