Update
To watch the “How Well Do You Know Me?” challenge, search @gretchenrubin on Instagram. Elizabeth and I had so much fun doing this challenge.
Join my LinkedIn Live with Kim Scott of Radical Candor. We’ll explore your FAQ about workplace dynamics through the frameworks of the Four Tendencies and Radical Candor. It’s on October 17, 2023, at 5:00 pm ET. Info here or search @gretchenrubin on LinkedIn.
Try This at Home
Visually represent your challenge; bringing ideas into sight often brings insight.
If you want to read about other ways to help make tough choices, read more here.
I mention the books The Yellow Pad by Robert Rubin (Amazon, Bookshop), The Visual Display of Quantitative Information by Edward Tufte (Amazon), and Manuel Lima’s The Book of Trees (Amazon, Bookshop) and The Book of Circles (Amazon, Bookshop).
These are the kind of round dry-erase decals that Elizabeth mentioned.
Happiness Hack
Many listeners asked to know the brand of running shoes that solved Elizabeth’s foot problems.
Her doctor recommended the brands Hoka, Saucony, and Brooks; Elizabeth wears Saucony.
Deep Dive into Re-thinking Routines
In episode 446, we talked about why it’s a good idea to re-examine our personal, work, and family routines to look for opportunities to improve.
We received many terrific suggestions from listeners.
Listener Question
A listener’s father has been diagnosed with cancer that isn’t treatable. She asks, “For those who have lost a loved one, what advice do they have? How do I spend this time wisely and prevent regrets when he is gone?”
Demerits & Gold Stars
Gretchen’s Demerit: I finished a book I didn’t like, instead of putting it down to make time for books I do like. (Read here if you’d like more suggestions for getting more reading done.)
Elizabeth’s Gold Star: She gives a gold star to the new TV show, The Golden Bachelor.
Resource
Take the “What’s Your Neglected Sense?” quiz, and you’ll get great ideas for having more fun during this season and heading into the holidays.
What We’re Reading
Gretchen
Hello and welcome to a Happier! A podcast where we talk about ideas for making our lives happier. This week we’ll talk about why it can be helpful to visually represent a challenge. And, we’ll share a bunch of suggestions from listeners about useful changes they’ve made to their routines. I’m Gretchen Rubin, a writer who studies happiness, good habits, the five senses, human nature.
Gretchen
I’m in my little home office in New York City, and joining me today from L.A. is my sister, Elizabeth Craft, who is going to reveal the magical brand of shoes that cured her foot pain. All will be revealed.
Elizabeth
That’s me, Elizabeth Craft, a TV writer and producer living in L.A.. And yeah, Gretch, I never knew so many people would want to know what kind of running shoes I’m wearing.
Gretchen
People want to know. I think a lot of people feel the same kind of pain, and they want to know if they can get that solution.
Elizabeth
Yes. Gretchen before we reveal that, I want to mention that we recently recorded some fun videos for Instagram taking the how well do you know me challenge. We guess each other’s answers to some personal questions. It was so much fun. Some of the answers were surprising. Some we got. Yeah. So I’m curious if the listeners can guess our answers before we say them.
Elizabeth
In the videos. We’ve already heard from some people who said they did guess certain answers. Hey, so @GretchenRubin on Instagram to see for yourself.
Gretchen
It was so fun. And Elizabeth scored higher than I did.
Elizabeth
Oh, did I?
Gretchen
I think so. A few other updates. First of all, thank you to our listener Roya, because in the More Happier episode about the joys of podcasting, I misspoke. I talked about the Drum Tower podcast, but for some reason I said The Washington Post, where I knew perfectly well it’s from The Economist, want to give credit where credit’s due.
Gretchen
So yeah, that’s Drum Tower from The Economist. And also I want to let everybody know that I am going to be doing a LinkedIn live conversation on October 17th at 5 p.m. Eastern with Kim Scott. Kim Scott is an old friend and someone whose work I admire tremendously. She wrote the book Just Work, and she’s very well known for her framework about radical candor as a way to give constructive feedback in the workplace.
Gretchen
So we’ll talk about people’s questions about workplace dynamics through the lens of the four tendencies and the radical candor and she’s so fun and so great and so insightful. I’m really looking forward to that. So you can look @GretchenRubin on LinkedIn or I’ll post the link in the show notes if you would like to listen in.
Elizabeth
That will be an interesting conversation.
Gretchen
Yeah. This week our try this at home tip is to visually represent your challenge.
Elizabeth
Yeah. So we’ve talked about several ways to help make tough choices. Choose the bigger life, avoid false choices, ask if it makes you feel energized or drained,think about your future self. Ask yourself, what advice would you give to a friend who has the same issues? So those are all things to think about when you’re trying to make a tough choice.
Elizabeth
But another thing to do is to visualize your choice.
Gretchen
Yes. Yeah. If you want to read a roundup of all those, there’s a post on it and I’ll post a link to that. But we always need more solutions. These challenges come up and you get stumped. And what I’ve been thinking about a lot is how visual representation can help us understand issues in a different way. And part of this, I think, is coming off life in five senses.
Gretchen
I’m very aware of using the five senses. And one of the things that really struck me as I was reflecting on this is so listen, you remember what a huge transition it was for me when I had to finally let go of my beloved Filofax. Yes. And start using a digital calendar. I was a late holdout. I love the filofax.
Gretchen
I still have my filofax. I have all my pages going back so many years. But at a certain point I’m like, I have to use a digital calendar. But what was interesting is that visualizing my day in the digital way showed me much more easily. Like I could look at a day and see where I had pockets of free time or where I had pockets where everything was jammed up, whereas in a file effects, everything had equal weight the way I wrote it in and so I did feel like I gained a sense of sort of the flow of my days because I was visualizing it more accurately.
Gretchen
And that was just something I didn’t expect to find.
Elizabeth
Well Gretch, on visualizing when you want to make a decision, we all know the writing down the pros and cons.
Gretchen
Oh, classic, classic.
Elizabeth
Your father in law even wrote a book called The Yellow Pad: Making Better Decisions in an Uncertain World. Yeah, he’s a huge fan of writing down pros and cons. Yes.
Gretchen
This is a guy who has a legal pad with him at all times. Yes, big fan of that. But I have become just increasingly interested in this idea of the visualization of information and possibilities. And if other people are interested in this, I highly recommend these books, which I love. One is this is one of my favorite books, but it has one of the all time worst titles.
Gretchen
It’s called the Visual Display of Quantitative Information. So, so boring but as such is a wonderful book by Edward Tufte. And I recently discovered Manuel Lima’s book. So he has a book called The Book of Trees and The Book of Circles. And this is about using tree shapes in circles as a way to visualize information and help you see relationships and do all that.
Elizabeth
So great. Why has this been on your mind so much?
Gretchen
Well, generally I’m interested in it just because I’m always interested in unusual ways to present information. Like that’s just a thing that I’ve always been fascinated by. But right now it’s particularly acute because I’m trying to figure out what my next big project and or small project is going to be in writing, because sometimes I’ll have like a little project which I treat just as seriously as just smaller in scope.
Gretchen
So it’s not little as an unimportant as this, little as in shorter to execute. But almost always in my writing life, I knew exactly what I would do next. But now I have several that I want to do. I all passionately want to do. So it’s not even like, Well, pick your favorite or pick the one you think that people would be most interested.
Gretchen
It’s like I am so attracted to all of them. And just recently I’ve been thinking, okay, you know, what I’m going to do is I’m going to sit down and I’m going to visualize this with circles. Like maybe it’ll be a Venn diagram, maybe it’ll be circles. And I see where they intersect or how they relate to each other, because I have my practical, you know, my Ben Franklin is that is very concrete, loves a tip, loves a hack, loves a list.
Gretchen
Then I have my writerly side that loves aphorisms and essays, and I want to write more writerly way. And then I’ve got that dreamy, mystical side that I haven’t really written into very much lately. But I really want to go into the mysterious depths of human nature that also appeals to me. And what’s happening is that I’m working on all these projects all the time.
Gretchen
They’re all happening all the time, but I’m like, I can’t write five projects all at once. This is not a way to move forward. And so I have a giant pad of paper. I got my favorite set of markers. I wanted to do it on a weekend day where I can just not have anything else distract me and somehow try to.
Gretchen
I feel like if I could visually represent these possibilities that it might help me understand how to move forward.
Elizabeth
I want to see what that looks like. Send me a photo when you. Yes, When you write this down. I want to see the visualization.
Gretchen
Yes, I yeah, it probably will end up being one of those things that makes no sense to anyone but me. You know, like you look at your notes after something and you’re like, before the meeting, this made perfect sense to me, but now this is like a bunch of scrawls. Well, wish me luck. I’m sort of both really looking forward to it and also kind of dreading it because I feel like it’s going to really tax my brain.
Gretchen
Yes. And it’s hard to think through these things. But Elizabeth, how about you? Have you found ways to visually represent challenges or difficult decisions?
Elizabeth
Well, you know, when I did Gretchen season two of Fantasy Island, yeah, we were having to dive in and move really quick. And so I was looking for anything to help to inspire me and keep me on track. Yeah. And what I did is I chose certain words and phrases that the network had told us in our conversations to keep in mind for season two, and I wrote them on these decals.
Elizabeth
They’re these round, dry erase decals that you can put on the wall and then peel off. You know, they don’t do any damage. Oh, I put all the different phrases. I think it was like summer, add more fun, and build the relationship drama. Oh, just words that they had and phrases they had said, put them on the wall.
Elizabeth
And then whenever we were breaking stories, they’d be there reminding me right of where we wanted to go so I could throw out something like, say, Well, where is the relationship drama? Is this or is this summer fun? And it really.
Gretchen
Helped. It’s kind of like another way to do a vision board with words or kind of like the way we talk about keeping your one word theme uppermost in your mind. But for you, it’s interesting because it’s like as you’re breaking stories, it was a way to decide, is this taking us towards these overarching aims? Or maybe there were things where you’re like, this doesn’t really fit into those.
Gretchen
Like, so maybe this isn’t as fruitful an idea. That’s really interesting. Another thing that I think can be useful for a certain kind of challenge, probably the kind of challenges that involve a lot of future planning, you know, because sometimes you have to like, when do I do this? Do I have to do this now? Like, do I have to study for this exam at this point?
Gretchen
Or when do I need to get this done by? There is a book speaking of titles, this book has a terrifying title called The Defining Decade. It’s about Your Twenties by Meg Jay. My daughter Eliza read it and really found it to be helpful. So even though the title is intimidating, she doesn’t talk about this specifically, but I was interested in that.
Gretchen
She said. Sometimes people will have these aims for themselves, but they haven’t done the timeline. They haven’t worked back like, Well, if I want this to have happened in my life by a certain time, when would I just like, do the math backwards? Because then I’m like, Oh, I have infinite future. But if you start thinking like, Well, I want to have something done by this time.
Gretchen
So I think sometimes making a timeline of roughly obviously we don’t have total control, but like roughly when would these things happen? That can bring a lot of clarity about what needs to happen when and in what order. If you want to end up in a certain place down the road.
Elizabeth
Yeah. And you can do that with something even as small as studying for a final exam. You know, I know Jack had a schedule of need to do this worksheet on Monday and exact review this on Tuesday, all leading up to the final exam. And that helped him to have it.
Gretchen
Exactly right. So yeah, or like something like moving where you’re like, okay, we’re going to be out of the house on this day. What has to happen? Here’s another really fascinating visualization that a friend did, and I’ve been meaning to do this for years because I’m completely intrigued by this. So I don’t know what inspired her to do it, but for whatever reason, she’s a person who knows a lot of people in her work and in her personal life, like a very connected person.
Gretchen
So she got a giant piece of paper and she just made a list of everybody that she was connected to friends, family, coworkers, colleagues, but did it in a way so she could see how they were connected. Like, oh, these people were all from college or whatever. And she said, the really fascinating thing was that a few people emerged as super connectors and that a few people had played an outsized role in introducing her to other big groups of people that were very important in her life.
Gretchen
But she said the interesting thing is she did not know that until she had plotted it out visually. She didn’t realize that this just a handful of people had really played an outsized role in her life. She just thought of them as being the same as everyone else, whereas in fact, they were the super connectors. And so I just thought that was an interesting example of how there can be things that you don’t see because you haven’t seen a representation that highlights certain aspects of information.
Elizabeth
Yeah, that’s fascinating. I want to think about my own life. If I have super connectors.
Gretchen
Maybe we’ll do this the next time we’re together, Elizabeth, this is the kind of thing that would be fun for us to do. Well, let us know if you do try this at home and how visually representing your challenge works for you. And how did you choose to visually represent it? Let us know on Instagram, Threads, Tik Tok, Facebook, drop us an email at podcast@gretchenrubin.com. Or as always, you can go to the show notes, you can go to happiercast.com/451 for everything related to this episode.
Gretchen
Oh, and by the way, I will put a link to those dry erase decals in the show notes. If anybody wants to do them themselves to visually represent things that way, I’ll put the link in the show notes.
Elizabeth
Okay. Coming up, we have a happiness hack that involves my running shoes and what brand I have and what other brands have been recommended. But first, this break. Okay, We’re back with this week’s Happiness Hack.
Gretchen
Yes, inquiring minds want to know. We got a deluge of emails from people saying, hey, what was that brand of shoes? And Elizabeth, I don’t know why we didn’t mention the brand of shoes. It wasn’t like you were holding it back as a secret. But maybe to you it was just so obvious, but people really were very, very interested to know.
Gretchen
What did you use? What was recommended?
Elizabeth
Yeah, well, just in case anybody didn’t hear that episode, I talked about how my feet had really been hurting when I was walking a lot, So I went to see a podiatrist thinking, you know, I was going to need some major intervention on my feet. And after she looked at everything, had me walk, etc., etc., she basically said, You’re just wearing the wrong shoes.
Elizabeth
Yeah, you’re wearing light flexible shoes, which I was. And what you need are shoes with a lot more support. You should not be able to bend them in half. You should not be able to twist them very much. So she gave me three brands to look at, so I’ll give the three brands. Okay. So the ones she told me to look at were Hoka, which have become recently famous because that’s what everybody is wearing on the picket lines, Saucony and Brooks.
Elizabeth
Okay, so I went to a store called Road Runner. Now I will say this is a store in L.A. where they really know shoes and they’ll really help you. And if you have a place like that in your city, it might be worth going there because it does make a difference to talk to people who really know their stuff.
Elizabeth
Yeah, but anyway, so I tried on all three brands and for me, Saucony were the ones that felt the best. Okay. And so I bought two pair of black saucony to go and my foot pain was gone in about three days. I mean, it made an enormous difference and it hasn’t come back. So I’m not a doctor.
Elizabeth
I cannot tell you this will work for you. But I think it was one of those magical cures. Yeah. And she really was so sure that it would do the trick that I think it must work for many, many people.
Gretchen
Interesting. Interesting. Okay, well, there you have it.
Elizabeth
So let me just repeat them. Yes. Hoka, Saucony, and Brooks, those were the three that again, she felt are the best. There are other great shoes out there, I’m sure, but it’s all about the support. That’s what you want to look for.
Gretchen
Okay, great. All problems should have such a straightforward solution.
Elizabeth
I know. And and affordable. I mean, I was thinking, am I going to have to surgery, physical.
Gretchen
Therapy.
Elizabeth
Or physical therapy? And it was just a new pair of running shoes.
Gretchen
Oh, excellent. Well, speaking of easy solutions that can make our lives better, we are going to do a deep dive into rethinking routines in episode 446, we talked about why it’s a good idea to re-examine our routines, our personal routines, work routines, family routines periodically to see if there are opportunities to just make things work more easily, more efficiently.
Gretchen
So we asked listeners, do people have hacks for making things run more smoothly? Have you figured out something that you’re like, okay, this is making my life easier, and we got a bunch of ideas. So Elizabeth, let’s just rattle through a bunch of them. I guess maybe they’ll inspire other listeners to make these changes.
Elizabeth
Yes. Okay. Marlo said I prepare my coffee before going to bed and program it to start being made 5 minutes before my alarm goes off. That way I wake up in the morning to the sound and smell of coffee percolating instead of a jarring alarm. It’s a lovely way to start the day. It makes me want to get out of bed to enjoy a cup.
Elizabeth
It’s also one less task for me to do in the morning, Karina says.
Gretchen
I set an alarm to go off every day at 8 p.m. to remind me to clean the kitchen before going to bed. Whatever I’m doing gets paused when it goes off, and then I return to it after the kitchen gets cleaned up. It’s so nice to make breakfast in a clean space. Cath says.
Elizabeth
I unpack my bag and repack it for the next day. The space I enter the house has my items I need to set out clearly. In the morning I just pick up my bag and leave knowing it’s all organized. Creatively noted.
Gretchen
Said, I walk my dog first thing in the morning with no phone. Exercise, plus sunlight, plus nature, plus quality time with my pup. Cecily says.
Elizabeth
I only let my kids eat breakfast and or watch TV in the morning if they are dressed. I won’t go into how difficult everything is with our kids, but this is just one non-problem and at this point it doesn’t ever cross their minds to not get dressed. It is one less battle when we need to leave the house. Vega said.
Gretchen
Once I leave the bedroom in the morning, I’m rarely there again until bedtime. So why was I spending all that time on bed covers and pillows? Get rid of those things, Kristina said.
Elizabeth
Never leave a room without making one thing better. It could be folding a blanket, fluffing a pillow, or picking up one toy and putting it away. All the little things add up over time and only take a few seconds to do.
Gretchen
This reminds me of my one minute rule, which I love to write about in outer order inner calm. So it’s so easy and great. Karen says, I put the things I need to remember in the car the night before, so there’s no chance of forgetting them.
Elizabeth
I do that sometimes. Joyce said, Don’t come at me, but I let my kids sleep in the clothes they’re going to wear the next day. This is especially helpful if you have one with sensory disorder. Gretchen, one of my best friends in college, Mike, did that for crew. He slept in his crew clothes so he would get up in the morning.
Gretchen
There you go. Tiffany said I’ve recently been changing into workout clothes right when I get home from work, even if I’m home at 1 p.m. and my yoga class is until six. I have been 100% successful at working out at night using this method. If I don’t change clothes right away, I find the effort of changing to be too much when I am tired at 6 p.m. and don’t go at all.
Elizabeth
Jennifer said I could never find time to read development books because I don’t want to read those in bed. But I finally started reading a few pages when I walk on the treadmill and I finished my second book. Pairing finally did the trick.
Gretchen
Inger said, Get up at 6:45 a.m. instead of 7 a.m.. Such a difference 15 minutes makes.
Elizabeth
Carlin says, write it down. Ideas in my head fall apart or forgotten if I don’t have them written down. Even if I don’t look at it again, it helps me remember my plans if I actually took pen to paper.
Gretchen
Jackie wrote, I played the game of putting away ten things before leaving for work. Then I come home to a tidy house.
Elizabeth
Linda says When I had several children in several activities, each child had a bag for each activity. That way, the permission slip could go into the dance bag, the uniform in the scout bag, etc. Bags were packed ahead.
Gretchen
Candice, I’d always stopped for gas on the way home as opposed to having to stop in the morning. I never remember to leave earlier in the morning.
Elizabeth
Robin said, clean out kitchen during commercials of our nighttime show. It’s like a little game and breaks it up into small tasks. And finally, Gretch, Jill says, One of my favorite hacks I learned from you, Gretchen, on the Happier podcast, I now get completely ready for bed on the early side around 9 p.m. and then enjoy relaxing, watching TV, whatever.
Elizabeth
As soon as I get tired around 11 p.m., I just slip into bed so happy that I’ve already brushed teeth, flossed, wash my face, refilled the water, glass, etc. I find this makes my personal routine go more smoothly and makes me happy.
Gretchen
I love that hack for myself, so I’m so glad to hear that somebody else finds it useful. So these were so great, so fun. They all feel so manageable. But you can see how that little bit more of efficiency can make life easier.
Elizabeth
Absolutely.
Gretchen
And now for a listener question, and this is a question where we really want to hear from listeners, because this is a question that probably a lot of people have a lot of experience with and have a lot of wisdom to share.
Elizabeth
This comes from Jen. She says, My dad was just diagnosed with terminal cancer. Long story short, it’s not treatable and he may have a few months or a few years to live. After weeks of nonstop tears, I am realizing that falling apart isn’t going to fix anything and that I need to make the best I can of the time I have left with my dad.
Elizabeth
My question, for those who have lost a loved one, what advice do they have? How do I spend this time wisely and prevent regrets when he is gone? My dad is young in his sixties and not overly talkative or affectionate and wants to live his life normally without telling other friends and family. I also live several hours away from him with small children, so I unfortunately can’t pop up to see him anytime I want.
Elizabeth
I thought this question might be helpful for other listeners who may not be in this situation, but want to take a step back and think about the best way to spend time and create memories with their loved ones.
Gretchen
Well, this is a very profound and important question. So, listeners, what have you done? What have you tried? How have you grappled with these challenges?
Elizabeth
For those who have gone through it? What do you wish you had done? Looking back.
Gretchen
Yes. So we will gather those answers and report back. I think she is exactly right. Even if you’re not in exactly the situation. There’s many lessons that all of us can learn about deepening our relationships with the people who we love the most.
Elizabeth
Yes. So thank you, Jen, for that question. And we will be following up. Coming up, Gretchen has a reading demerit. But first, this break. All right, Gretchen, we are back with demerits and gold stars, and you are up this week with a demerit.
Gretchen
Well, this is a demerit I’m giving myself for finishing a book. And you might think, Oh, isn’t it good to finish a book? But, you know, Elizabeth, you and I have talked many times that we want to read books that we like, and part of that is having the discipline to put down a book if we’re not enjoying it.
Gretchen
And this is strangely difficult, even sometimes it’s hard to make up your mind philosophically to do it. But then sometimes, even intellectually, I tell myself, if I’m not enjoying something, put it down so I can pick up something that I’m enjoying more. But it’s still very hard. And there was a book that it was just you know, it was like, it wasn’t terrible, but it wasn’t great and I wasn’t interested in it.
Gretchen
And I just it just sheer inertia kept me finishing it. And then when I was done, I’m like, I could have used all that reading time for something that I’m really excited to read. And I was kicking myself that I had the opportunity cost. And so I’m giving myself this demerit to remind myself that I do want to only read books that I’m enjoying and then I’m getting something out of.
Elizabeth
Yeah. Gretchen what I have found helps me with this because, you know, I listen to a lot of books and I borrow them from the library, from Libby. What I’ve decided is if I’m not enjoying a book I’m listening to and I don’t find myself wanting to go back and listen, I force myself to return it because then I say, okay, if I decide I do want to listen, I can borrow it again.
Elizabeth
Yes, But if it’s gone from my digital shelf, then I don’t feel guilty about starting something else. Yes. So I think if you put it in another room, like if you have the actual book, put it into another room, put it on the shelf and say, Hey, I can get this off the shelf. Yeah, but its presence keeps you from moving.
Gretchen
I know it’s sort of the using the strategy of inconvenience, put it out of reach and say like, well, is it worth the trouble to go hunt it down? Because if there’s a book that you love, you’ll turn the whole apartment upside down looking for it. Yes, that is a great suggestion. And I think it kind of breaks that mystery hold that it that it can have on you.
Gretchen
So I’m going to do that. But Elizabeth, what is your gold star?
Elizabeth
All right, Gretch, I am giving a gold star this week to a new TV show. Well, sort of a new franchise of a new TV show, which is The Golden Bachelor. You know, I love The Bachelor, proud member of Bachelor Nation. Well, now they have the Golden Bachelor. It is, The Bachelor is a widower who’s 70 years old and he is dating a bunch of women, all at least 60, many of them in their late sixties and seventies.
Elizabeth
And I love it. I mean, I love seeing older people on television getting the spotlight. Yeah, it’s an interesting look into this kind of ritual that has been going on for years with The Bachelor, seeing it with older people. It’s very different. Right. And I’ve got to tell you that, you know, America agrees because it’s a huge hit.
Gretchen
Oh, is it’s.
Elizabeth
Yes, it’s been on a couple of weeks now and it’s a big hit. And I think we’re going to hopefully very soon get a golden bachelorette.
Gretchen
Oh, so gold star for the Golden Bachelor.
Elizabeth
Yeah, Very, very fitting. Check it out.
Gretchen
The research for this week. We’re entering into holiday season soon, and it might be fun to take my what’s your neglected sense quiz before going into that season. So if you know that you neglect a particular sense, you might look for ways to incorporate it into your holiday in a deeper way, bring new traditions or new tastes or smells or music or whatever.
Gretchen
And you can take that quiz for free at gretchenrubin.com/quiz. What’s your neglected sense? And this is a very fun quiz just in terms of design. So if you haven’t taken it, it’s it’s just fun to take this very playful test.
Elizabeth
Yeah.
Gretchen
And then it’s just fun to know what your neglected sense is. Elizabeth, what are we reading? What are you reading?
Elizabeth
I am reading The Last Thing He Told Me by Laura Dave.
Gretchen
I am just about to start re-reading The Wind in the Willows by Kenneth Grahame. And that’s it for this episode of Happier. Remember to try this at home. Try visually representing your challenge. Let us know if you tried it and how you represented it and if it worked for you.
Elizabeth
Thanks to our executive producer Chuck Reed and everyone at Cadence 13. Get in touch. Gretchen’s on Instagram and Tik Tok and Threads at Gretchen Rubin and I’m on Threads and Instagram at Liz Craft. Our email address is podcast@gretchenrubin.com
Gretchen
And if you like this show, you can follow our show, you can rate our show, you can review our show, you can send the link to a friend. Listen, I have been sending links to podcast episodes up a storm lately. I don’t know what’s gotten into me.
Elizabeth
I just listened to one that you sent me.
Gretchen
There you go. I’m firing them off of you. It’s. It’s a lot of fun.
Elizabeth
Until next week, I’m Elizabeth Craft.
Gretchen
And I’m Gretchen Rubin. Thanks for joining us. Onward and upward. Do you, are you using the decals right now for any of your new projects or do you wait until you’ve got something that you’re in the thick of it?
Elizabeth
Yeah, So not yet. And I actually need to get new ones because I was so upset when Fantasy Island got canceled that I ripped them off the wall and threw them to the trash. So I need I need to get some new decals. Well, you.
Gretchen
Know, you get a fresh project. It’s time for the fresh and fresh.
Elizabeth
So I’m going to order some because I want to have them at the ready.
Gretchen
From the onward project.