Update
If you’re interested to read or hear my commencement address, stay tuned. Coming up, I’ll post it to the Happier feed as a bonus episode, along with the text.
I mention the Calendar of Catalysts.
Try This at Home
Start a new habit while on vacation.
Elizabeth mentions David Sedaris’s book When You Are Engulfed in Flames. (Amazon, Bookshop)
I also mention the “Strategy of the Clean Slate.” It’s one of the 21 strategies we can use to build our habits, which I explore in my book Better Than Before.
I quit sugar while on vacation in 2012, after I read Gary Taubes’s book Why We Get Fat (Amazon, Bookshop) ; I write about this experience in Better Than Before.
In my new book, Life in Five Senses, I describe how I cobbled together a five-senses journal while writing the book. Now I’ve created a gorgeous new Five-Senses Journal. It’s available for pre-order and will ship in August. Use the code SENSESJOURNAL10 for 10% off at checkout. It would be fun to start keeping this journal on vacation.
Happiness Hack
Learn the names of the often-used streets in a city where you live.
Deep Dive into Everyday Luxuries
In episode 426, we talked about the know-yourself-better question of “What’s your idea of luxury?”
Everyday luxuries are a kind of treat, and when we give ourselves treats, we feel energized, cared for, and contented, which boosts our self-command—and self-command helps us maintain our healthy habits.
When we don’t get any treats, we may begin to feel burned-out, depleted, and resentful.
For that reason, it’s helpful to identify everyday luxuries — chosen wisely. They also make great gift ideas!
If you’d like to read the list of everyday luxuries suggested by readers and listeners, it’s here.
We mention the distinction between under-buyers and over-buyers.
Demerits & Gold Stars
Gretchen’s Demerit: I haven’t nudged Eliza and Eleanor into getting their driver’s license.
Elizabeth’s Gold Star: She gives a gold star to her sister-in-law Michelle for doing so much organizing for family events.
Resources
Check out the fun Scavenger Hunt in the Happier app.
What We’re Reading
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[Music]
Gretchen
Hello and welcome to Happier A podcast where we talk about how to be happier, healthier, more productive and more creative. This week we’ll talk about why we should start something on vacation and we’ll do a deep dive into everyday luxuries and we will suggest many luxuries that listeners enjoy. I’m Gretchen Rubin, a writer who studies happiness, good habits, The Five Senses, human nature.
Gretchen
I’m in New York City and joining me today from another room in my apartment in New York City is my sister, Elizabeth Craft.
Elizabeth
That’s me, Elizabeth Craft, a TV writer and producer living in L.A. But coming to you today from the Rubin household.
Gretchen
Yes. It’s so fun to be together. We’ve had so much fun on our sisterly adventures.
Elizabeth
Yes. And Gretchen, I’m here because your daughter Eleanor, was graduating from high school and you gave the commencement talk at her graduation yesterday. And it was so good. It was a highlight. I absolutely loved watching you do that.
Gretchen
I was deeply honored and thrilled to do it. It was very sweet. Eleanor was excited that I was doing it. I thought she might think that was very cringey to have your mother doing it. So it was very nice that she was enthusiastic. Once it was done, of course, it was tremendously fun and I was so glad. But I have to say leading up to it I thought, well, I really hope this goes well.
Elizabeth
And you’re going to record it for a bonus episode.
Gretchen
Yeah, so I will, I’m going to put it on my side. I’m going to record it. I haven’t done all that yet since I just gave it. But stay tuned. If you’re curious, you will have the opportunity to either read it or listen to it. I really did love the challenge of writing it. It was a fun form.
Gretchen
The commencement address is a very specific form, so that was very creatively interesting. Another fun fact, if you’re listening to this episode on the day that it airs, it’s the summer solstice, which is the day that is the longest day of the year. And I always think, Elizabeth, of that line from The Great Gatsby, when Daisy says, do you always watch for the longest day of the year and then miss it?
Gretchen
I always watch for the longest day of the year and then miss it. And I just think that’s just this mysterious thing. But I often watch for the longest day of the year and then miss it. So I’m reminding everybody.
Elizabeth
Yes, I think it’s one of my favorite days of the year.
Gretchen
Well, and it’s for many people, it has significance in the natural calendar. Good for the calendar of catalysts. This week, Elizabeth, our try this at home suggestion is to start a new habit while on vacation because for many people it’s summertime. And that is a time when a lot of people go on vacation. And so this can be a very useful time to launch a new habit.
Elizabeth
Yes, which makes sense because all your environment is different, your routines are different. The idea is you can either take something out or throw something in and get used to it in a time where everything is changed.
Gretchen
Yeah, in my book, Better Than Before, I talked about the strategy, the clean slate, and the thing about the clean slate is it wipes away old habits for better and for worse. Sometimes this works against us because maybe things change and we lose a good habit. But often it’s a clean slate. Is a good time to start a new habit, for instance, because there’s this open field and you’re not set in a groove yet that you have to overcome.
Gretchen
For instance, when people try to quit smoking, they often suggest that if they move apartments or houses, that that is a really good time because that is such a huge change and going on a vacation is sort of a much smaller version of moving.
Elizabeth
Yeah, well, Gretchen, you know, I love David Sedaris writer, everything he writes and he was a huge smoker, speaking of smoking. And he actually wrote a piece called When You Are Engulfed in Flames, where he talks about how he quit smoking when he moved to Japan and he actually moved to Japan so he would have something to focus on other than smoking.
Elizabeth
Wow. Yeah. So that was extreme, right?
Gretchen
So maybe you would do it when you’re visiting Japan on vacation. You would take the lesser version of that. Well, and also one thing about being on vacation is that not only are you out of your original routine and so you’re shaken up, but you might have more energy because a lot of times on vacation you get more sleep, it’s more leisurely.
Gretchen
And then if you start on vacation, you get yourself a running start. And so then when you get back into your usual routine, where maybe it’s a little bit more challenging, you have that feeling of I started, I’ve got my don’t break the chain underway or I’ve got some ta-das on my to do list. You set yourself up for success.
Elizabeth
Didn’t you say you gave up carbs while you were on vacation?
Gretchen
Yes, that was 12 years ago. Or maybe that’s 13 years ago now. I read Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes. Because, Elizabeth, I was very interested in insulin because of your type one diabetes. So I read it because I wanted to learn about insulin and I was so persuaded by it that overnight I changed everything about the way that I ate.
Gretchen
And I think it was easy because since I was on vacation, I could just order differently because we were staying in a hotel. And so I just, instead of getting oatmeal and cup fruit, I got scrambled eggs and bacon. And then just overnight started that, eating that different way. And I think I read it on vacation. I took it to read it on vacation, and then I implemented on vacation.
Gretchen
And by the time I got back, I had already started it.
Elizabeth
Well, this is something I have not done, Gretchen. I haven’t tried to change a habit while on vacation, but I think it’s a great idea, and I’m actually thinking I could try something while I’m on vacation in New York.
Gretchen
Oh.
Elizabeth
Which is to read before I go to sleep, because that’s something I’d like to do, and I like to read actual books. So, you know, I’ve been listening to a lot of audiobooks. I’ve been getting a lot of reading done that way. But there are certain books I either want to or need to read the actual book form.
Elizabeth
Yeah, and I’m thinking I should read in bed an actual book before I turn the light out. And vacation seems like the perfect place to start that, because I also very much associate vacation with reading and just write.
Gretchen
And then you just get into the habit of doing it. Maybe you need to go to bed a little bit earlier so that you have a little bit more head start before you want to turn out the light. Well, that’s a great idea because for you, reading a physical book is so closely associated with rest and relaxation, it might because we’re going to be talking about everyday luxuries and a little bit and that might be something that would feel luxurious to you.
Gretchen
It would be a little bit of like a vacation spirit before you go to bed. And here’s another thing. So one of the things I talked about in Life in Five Senses is I keep this Five Senses journal where I just took a blank notebook and wrote seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching every day. And I would write down a memory from the day as a way to help myself pay attention to the five senses as I went about my business during the day.
Gretchen
So now I’ve created this journal and it’s so cool. It’s a six month journal. It’s got all kinds of ways to help you tap into your five senses. But I could imagine keeping a journal like that if I sense this journal, would be something that a person might want to start on vacation because you’re having so many interesting experiences it’s satisfying to write them down.
Gretchen
Yeah, like, Oh my gosh, we had this amazing chicken dinner last night. You’d write that down and then you would also get yourself in the habit of every evening or every lunchtime or whenever you wanted to do it, keeping the journal. So it would be a time when you’d have a lot to say and also a time where it’d be easier to maybe start the behavior that you’re trying to cultivate.
Elizabeth
Yes, journaling is something so many people want to do.
Gretchen
And so people are interested in the Five Senses Journal. You can preorder it now. It’ll ship in August, but you can go ahead and preorder it now. And if you want 10% off a checkout use SENSESJOURNAL10 just the number ten, one zero, SENSESJOURNAL10 for 10% off when you preorder. I’m really excited for these to go into the world, I had never seen anything like them I have to.
Elizabeth
Say yeah I saw the cover and it’s beautiful.
Gretchen
So let us know if you do try this at home and if you’ve started a new habit on vacation, and how that worked for you, let us know on Instagram, check out our Twitter, Facebook, drop us an email at podcast@gretchenrubin.com. Or as always, you can go to the show notes. This is happiercast.com/435.
Elizabeth
Coming up. We have a very practical happiness hack. But first this break.
[Music]
Okay, Gretch, it’s time for this week’s Happiness Hack. And this is something you thought of the other day, I believe, when you were at a college reunion.
Gretchen
Yes. Okay. This is so obvious. Again, it’s like the hack that just, does one even need to articulate this. And it’s like, Yes, one does, because otherwise one does not do it. So my hack is if there’s a place where you know you’re going to be spending a lot of time, such as your hometown, like Kansas City, or where you go to college and law school, like New Haven, take 10 minutes and memorize the name of the streets.
Gretchen
For some reason, I never do this. And so I’m like, what? Like people would be like, That’s on Elm Street. And I’m like, Which one is Elm Street? What’s on there? Like in New Haven I know York Street, but only because I go to a restaurant there that’s called New York Side. I know York Street because York Side restaurant is on it.
Gretchen
But other than that, I always have to say to you and even in Kansas City, even to this day, mom’s like, you drive down Main and I’m like, which one is main? Is that one main or what’s on main? Because then I can visualize it if it’s like, Oh, that’s the one that CVS is on. I’m like, Oh, okay, that’s Main.
Gretchen
But why didn’t I just take 5 minutes and just get a mental picture so that if people are saying, take Broadway, you just have a sense of what it looks like and what’s on that. I don’t know why I don’t do this.
Elizabeth
Yeah. Gretchen Once you mention this, I realized I also don’t know the names of so many streets in Kansas City. I know Ward Parkway. Yes. I don’t know the street that runs in front of the plaza. I don’t know what that street is.
Gretchen
I have no idea what that street is.
Elizabeth
Yeah, I don’t know where Broadway is exactly. Main, I know only because the mix is on Main, but yeah, I don’t know. So many streets.
Gretchen
What is the name of the street the Winstead’s is on? That’s the street.
Elizabeth
I have my street.
Gretchen
Right. Well, and then there’s the street Southwest Traffic Way, which has another name at a different point. And so if you say Southwest traffic Way, I know what it is, but only for like a certain stretch of it.
Elizabeth
So it’s funny because we were talking about this and now being in New York, I’m trying to have Jack pay attention to all the street names. Yes. And teaching him Madison Park Lex, and the park is on fifth and all of that. Yeah. So I’m trying to be proactive.
Gretchen
Well, you need mnemonics on the west side. It’s like Columbus, Amsterdam, Broadway, is CAB, so that’s very easy. But I have to do that in my head. Central Park, West, Columbus, Amsterdam. Broadway within, Broadway snakes through. So it moves at certain points. It’s complicated. Anyway, the thing is, just take a minute, look at the map, memorize some things, save yourself a lot of puzzlement later
Gretchen
Yes. And now for a deep dive into everyday luxuries, one luxury is know the name of the streets around you. That’s a good luxury. But in episode 426, we talked about the know yourself better question of what is your idea for luxury? And this is great when you’re thinking about the five senses because of course the five senses are how we find things luxurious usually is because they do something to comfort or delight our senses.
Gretchen
It’s a wonderful thing to think about.
Elizabeth
Yes. And Gretchen, as you’re always pointing out, when we give more to ourselves, we can ask more from ourselves and everyday luxuries as a way to give more to ourselves.
Gretchen
It was such a fun thing to read about listener’s ideas for everyday luxury and a couple of things stood out to me. One is a lot of these things don’t cost much or at all, and yet, because they are a luxury, it dramatically boosts our feeling of comfort and pleasure. It’s like, Elizabeth, you gave me a lotion warmer.
Gretchen
I would never in a million years buy myself a lotion warmer, but I love it. I use it every time I take a shower and it feels so luxurious to me. It was not a very expensive gift as a Christmas present. And I loved it.
Elizabeth
Yeah. And Gretchen, what’s interesting is once somebody mentions that something feels luxurious to them, then it makes it feel luxurious to us.
Gretchen
Yes.
Elizabeth
Yes. If someone says clean sheets are my luxury, then you go, Oh, my gosh, clean sheets really are a luxury. Yes. Or lighting a candle when I get ready for bed is a luxury. Oh that does sound luxurious to have a nice scented candle while I get ready for bed. And so it’s nice that it enhances these often everyday items.
Elizabeth
It makes them into something more right?
Gretchen
Like frothy milk. You can take it for granted or you can be like, Oh, it’s a little treat. And this ties in to the idea of treats. So in my book Better Than Before, one of the 21 strategies you can use to make or break your habits is the strategy of treats. It’s everybody’s favorite strategy and the idea, as you were saying, when we get more to ourselves, you can ask more from ourselves and we give ourselves treats.
Gretchen
We give ourselves energy and comfort, and then we can ask ourselves to do more or maybe deprive ourselves of something where I’d really be better off without that. And yet I want it as my treat. But if I give myself other treats, then maybe I can do a better job of sticking to my healthy habits because I feel energized and cared for, then that boosts the sense of self command.
Gretchen
So I think sometimes people think, well, everyday luxuries sound very consumerist and decadent. But the thing about luxury is first, as we were saying, they don’t necessarily have to cost much or anything at all. It’s a matter of thinking of something as a luxury and appreciating it as a luxury. And also if giving yourself these little everyday luxuries help you stick to your good habits, then it will make you happier and healthier and more productive and more creative.
Gretchen
And so in the end it does contribute to things that can make you happier, even if you’re sort of think, oh well, people don’t need to march around and buy lotion warmers all the time. You know, I take that point. But I do think there is value to it and a happier life.
Elizabeth
Yes. Because one thing you’ve noticed is when we don’t give ourselves little treats or luxuries, then we can be burned out and get resentful and then we act out against ourselves. Yeah.
Gretchen
Like, I deserve this. I need this after the day I’ve had. Yeah. Yeah.
Elizabeth
The other great thing, Gretchen, is if someone mentions to you, what’s a luxury to them? It can make for a great gift idea.
Gretchen
Yes. The lotion warmer thing again would never have occurred to me, but somehow, I guess I was saying how I don’t like taking showers because I get so cold and somebody said, Oh, do you know about lotion warmer? And then you had the idea, Oh, this would be great for Gretchen. So, yeah, thinking about what somebody would consider luxury or even just being reminded that these are delightful five senses luxuries.
Gretchen
This can be good if you’re trying to think of gifts. If you’re trying to think of gifts, thinking what is a luxury for the five senses, that’s a very, you can also often think of good ideas that way. It’s a little bit, it’s enough guidance if you’re feeling stuck when you’re trying to buy a good gift for someone.
Elizabeth
Yeah, especially if you’re buying for an under buyer who won’t buy themselves this little luxury. Yes. Yeah, exactly. People like you, Gretch.
Gretchen
Yes. Yes.
Elizabeth
And me to a lesser degree.
Gretchen
These are things that if we pay attention to them and think like, Ooh, this is an everyday luxury, we appreciate it. Or it could just fade into the background. So a lot of these things, it is just saying this is something luxurious and I’m really going to notice how much I love it every single time. So let’s share some ideas from readers and listeners about what we heard about everyday luxuries.
Gretchen
Elizabeth You do a bunch and then I’ll do a bunch and we’ll just take turns because we’re just going to zip through them. They’re so fun. Yes.
Elizabeth
A humidifier in the bedroom. We have that. Silk pillowcases or sleeping mask, an electric kettle.
Gretchen
Oh, yes.
Elizabeth
Candlesticks. Oh, a portable or wearable fan. Hmm. This one I’ve mentioned many times. A cup of coffee or tea in a favorite mug. I want to break out my china mugs on the weekend. Yeah, And then many people reported this, Gretch, crushed ice.
Gretchen
I was astounded how many people had ice related luxuries. Ice is one of the things, we take this for granted. No, actually, people really love ice. Yes, Winstead’s
Elizabeth
Ice. The best.
Gretchen
So I would say to mom, Winstead’s has the best crushed ice in the whole world. Like I’ve never noticed their ice. Like, how is that possible? It’s the greatest. Like so now she can have it as a luxury. Yes. Okay. Here are some more. A walk alone. That might be somebody with little kids or a lot of coworkers.
Gretchen
Plans made by someone else. Yes. Fresh, homemade bread, and the time to make it. Beautiful. Good wine glasses and cloth napkins. Pre-washed precut fruit. The person said it felt very indulgent to pay more to have it already, but that was a tremendous luxury. I thought that was funny. Milk Frother. Several people mentioned that. Sitting by a fire.
Elizabeth
Big, soft, fluffy hotel style towels, those always feel luxurious. Yes. High quality kitchen tools. Yeah. A massage. Yes. Naps. Yes, naps. Our family loves naps.
Gretchen
Oh, I love my nap.
Elizabeth
Coffee table books, lying by the pool or on the beach. A new perfume. That’s one you can appreciate Gretchen.
Gretchen
Oh I love a new perfume.
Elizabeth
A day trip. Oh, yeah. That’s a fun idea. Paying to rent a movie you want to see rather than choosing one that’s free.
Gretchen
Oh, nice. Right? You get to choose. Car seat and steering wheel warmers. That’s a great one. Hiring a house cleaner, attending a live concert or play, eating outside. Very topical. Now that summer’s here, at least our part of the world. Buying plane tickets based on convenience rather than cost. Grocery or meal delivery.
Elizabeth
And then using the silver, china or crystal reserved for special occasions. I think we should all do that. Staying at a bed and breakfast. A farmer’s market splurge.
Gretchen
Yeah. Okay. This reminds me of one of my secrets of adulthood, which is buy any ingredients that you want because it’s always cheaper than eating in a restaurant.
Elizabeth
Someone else says being able to afford to donate to a cause. Yes. Sleeping in, not waking up to the sound of an alarm.
Gretchen
Well, you were just talking about that, Elizabeth, about how that’s making you so happy. Yes. Well, I guess you’re not sleeping in, but you have a more leisurely morning. So I guess that’s adjacent. Leisurely morning is an adjacent luxury.
Elizabeth
Yes. Eating something you grew yourself.
Gretchen
The perfect reading light, keyless entry on your house, art supplies, having multiples of essentials like phone chargers and reading glasses. Yes, yes, yes. That is huge. And paying for a friend’s meal.
Elizabeth
Well, that’s nice. Yeah.
Gretchen
What a wonderful list.
Elizabeth
Yes. Thank you, everybody. I love thinking of all of these things as luxuries, which they are when brought up. I’m like, Oh, yes, That is a luxury. That is. That is. That is.
Gretchen
Yes, absolutely.
Elizabeth
All right. Coming up, Gretchen gives herself a driving related demerit. But first, this break.
[Music]
Okay, Gretch, it is time for demerits and gold stars. You are up this week with a driving related demerit, although it’s not about your driving. Yes.
Gretchen
Okay, so one of the things that I’ve been wanting to do is to, shall we say, guide Eliza and Eleanor into getting their driver’s licenses. Both of them have taken driver’s ed. Eliza took the driver’s test and failed, as one does, and needed to take it again. Eleanor took drivers ed, hasn’t taken the test. It is very cumbersome in New York City.
Gretchen
I will say, like the administrative hassle of it is high. And it’s not that uncommon for kids in New York City not to get their driver’s license. But I deeply believe, and they agree, it’s not like they don’t agree that they don’t want their driver’s license. And I should just be guiding them, nudging them. You know, I call myself a happiness bully.
Gretchen
Where is my. I think they need a little bit of let’s do it. Let’s do it. A little bit of scaffolding and architecture and all that. And I just, I haven’t done it, even though I think that it’s really important they should both do it.
Elizabeth
Can they take it at the same time, like making up?
Gretchen
I suggested that I was like, make it into a sisterly adventure, do it a thing together. They did not seem intrigued by that possibility. But you know, now Eleanor has graduated. And I do think in a way, even though it’s not like she couldn’t have done it before, but then Eliza’s working, so I don’t know. I need to sit down with them and have the conversation.
Gretchen
Like we all agree that this is an important life goal. Let’s think through ideas, but it would work for you and blah, blah, blah. But anyway, I just haven’t done any of that because I find it very tiresome to think about as well.
Elizabeth
Of course.
Gretchen
And this is on my 23 and 23 list, in fact. So I got to get on it.
Elizabeth
All right. Well, keep us posted.
Gretchen
And now Liz, you’re gold star. Take us up. Well, Gretch.
Elizabeth
I think this is a repeat gold star to my sister in law, Michelle.
Gretchen
Mm.
Elizabeth
For family event organizing. So she really takes the lead on texting everyone and saying, okay, we have a birthday next week. Can we do brunch on Saturday? Who’s available? Who needs to have it be dinner instead? And she’ll find places and make a reservation. She often hosts. There’s two things. There’s the actual hosting. Yeah. Which I’m also very appreciative of.
Elizabeth
But then there’s the just the actual organizing. Yeah. Which nobody wants to do. It’s not as if this is a fun hobby for her. She does it out of the goodness of her heart. And can I tell you, we had something happen just in the last few days where we had rented a house that the family was going to go to for three days in July, and we got an email saying it was no longer available.
Elizabeth
Oh my gosh. So then we had no house and nobody did anything.
Gretchen
Well, you had it all reserved. And then.
Elizabeth
Sorry no. And paid for it. Yes.
Gretchen
Oh, my gosh.
Elizabeth
So Michelle jumped on it and found another house and reserved it, which she finding a place for people to stay is not a fun activity. And she said options and anyway so big gold star to her because she really makes sure the family gets together and we always have a great time when we get together. It’s just nobody’s good at planning.
Gretchen
Herding the cats of it.
Elizabeth
Gold Star to Michelle.
Gretchen
Well, I think it’s great to give her a gold star because I do think that sometimes it’s easy to take that for granted. The person you’re saying, because even just realizing like, Oh, there’s a birthday coming up. So I think that’s a great gold star to Michelle and all people who do this. But I will also say, and I think we talked about this a while back, is that if you’re the person who’s not doing that, one way you can contribute is by answering promptly.
Gretchen
It’s like if they say, does this work, answer promptly. If you’re not going to be the person who’s actually initiating, at least you can make their job easier by not requiring them to send multiple things for I can’t make a reservation because I haven’t heard from you. By being prompt. We can be good participants even if we are not leaders.
Elizabeth
Absolutely. And I need to be better about that.
Gretchen
Yeah. So Gold Star to Michelle. That’s wonderful. The resources for this week we’re doing a scavenger hunt in the app. In The Happier app. You can go to thehappierapp.com if you want to check out the app. And it’s just to make it more fun to go outside. So it’s all these things. It’s not actually a scavenger hunt where you have like get something.
Gretchen
It’s like things to do, little challenges as you’re going outside. It’s really, really fun, especially people, if you like having a little bit of a challenge or a to do list where you get to check something off and give yourself a gold star. Like I said, all of them, or I’ve done five in one day. It’s really fun.
Gretchen
So go to thehappierapp.com to learn more about the app or just go to your Happier App. And then what are we reading? Elizabeth What are you reading?
Elizabeth
I am reading The Soulmates by Sally Hepworth.
Gretchen
And I am still rereading Boswell’s The Life of Samuel Johnson. And that is it for this episode of Happier. Remember to try this at home. Start a new habit on vacation. Let us know if you tried it and if it works for you.
Elizabeth
Thank you to our executive producer Chuck Reed and everyone at Cadence 13. Get in touch. Gretchen’s on Instagram and Tik Tok at Gretchen Rubin and I’m on Instagram at Liz Craft. Our email address is podcast@gretchenrubin.com.
Gretchen
If you like this show, please be sure to tell a friend. Really, really, really do recommend it to a friend because we hear from so many people that way. That is how we get new listeners. Tell a friend email them the link. Elizabeth I just emailed you a link to a podcast the other day. It’s like it’s so easy and you forget that you can do that just from an episode.
Gretchen
We really, really appreciate it.
Elizabeth
Until next week, I’m Elizabeth Craft.
Gretchen
And I’m Gretchen Rubin. Thanks for joining us. Onward and Upward.
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Elizabeth
Gretch, I’m in the library and I think the door just opened and Barnaby came in and he went and laid down by the fireplace. Oh, he’s so cute. That makes me miss Nacho and Daisy.
Gretchen
Oh, I’m sure.
Elizabeth
Although they wouldn’t be nearly as quiet.
Gretchen
Yeah, that’s. He does not bark as much as Nacho and Daisy. That’s true. But he’s sneakier about stealing food.
Elizabeth
Oh.
[Music]
Gretchen
From the onward project.