Happier with Gretchen Rubin
Ep. 524 Use a Messy Closet, a 3-Hour Rule for Difficult People & Renowned Judy Blume on Reading

We explore a good way to handle important tasks that can’t be immediately addressed–by stashing them in the “messy closet” without guilt. We suggest a hack for managing a social situation with a difficult person.
As part of our “Read 25 in ’25,” we feature a special interview with legendary author Judy Blume about fostering a love of reading, her experiences with book banning, and insights from owning an indie bookstore.
Resources and links related to this episode:
- Pre-order your copy of Secrets of Adulthood
- Join me on book tour starting April 1, 2025
- Take the Four Tendencies quiz
- Elizabeth is reading: Code Girls: The Untold Story of the American Women Code Breakers of World War II by Liza Mundy (Amazon, Bookshop)
- Gretchen is reading: Stone Yard Devotional by Charlotte Wood (Amazon, Bookshop)
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